And of course, he DID ask Hagee if Obama were the anti-Christ, which is a shining example of the quality journalism that Glenn Beck practices.

MM got their original post totally wrong, and they should own up to it.

Beck didn't mischaracterize anything.

Not cool, MM. Not cool.

See the actual video - and not the distorted clip - by Beck

 Glenn Beck's Real Story - How the Liberal Media Works

 

Now ask yourself this question:  If MMFA were honest, why wouldn't they simply show the entire video?  (Not enough bandwith on the net?)

 

 

Go Obama!!!

Let me borrow some tone from the majority of th posters here.

You are all a bunch of blinded liberal bigots. If you WATCH the segment you will SEE that MediaMatters totally got this wrong and is now spinning faster than an O'Reilly loofa comment. Look at the whole segment, listen to what he actually said. Look at the body language, listen to the tone. 

Ignorance is bliss, I guess that's why there are so many happy idiots around this board.  

IF ignorance were really bliss instead of the ACTUAL quote which says WHERE ignorance is bliss tis folly to be wise, YOU would be the most blissful person on the planet. MMFA made a claim which IN THE CLIP Beck aknowleges is TRUE. So according to YOUR stupid spin that means MMFA was wrong? Please tell us you are kidding and not that stupid.

To repeat an old joke, Glenn Beck is like a blotter - he soaks everything up, but gets it all backwards......

"Can you explain what happened this week, and what your stance is with Catholicism?"

Oooooh, that's a really hard-hitting question...particularly when you're sitting on actual inflammatory quotes from Hagee about the Catholic Church. Beck is a joke.

And, BTW, he says he asked the anti-Christ question because he had gotten so many e-mails from his listeners/viewers asking him if Obama was indeed the anti-Christ. Saya a lot about Beck's audience doesn't it?

 

"I wonder if Obama is the anti-Christ. It's really been bugging me lately. I can't stop thinking about it. Maybe I should ask someone. How about... Glenn Beck?"

I have this rash on my behind that won't go away. I've been thinking of e-mailing Glenn for advice about that.  ;>)

Is your rash shaped like the virgin Mary ?

Oh, wait...! Maybe that's it. I thought it was Madonna. ;>)

Oh, wait...! Maybe that's it. I thought it was Madonna. ;>)

If it's wearing a funnel-shaped bra, it's Madonna.

It's got pus coming out of it...must be Madonna.  ;>)

It might be her cat, but not the whole can o' tuna!

ROFLMAO, Snoop...  I have more but I'm afraid I'd get banned.  ;>)

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww.....

:-)

If he offers up a doctor's name ... don't go to him.  He botched Beck's brain surgery ...

And, BTW, he says he asked the anti-Christ question because he had gotten so many e-mails from his listeners/viewers asking him if Obama was indeed the anti-Christ.

He would have also referred to the many letters he got from his listeners/viewers, but most of them were in crayon.....

Unless beck is a practicing catholic, how can he provide accurate relevant questioning.

What, you have to go to practice to be a Catholic, too? I thought you only had to go on Sundays. :>)

What, you have to go to practice to be a Catholic, too? I thought you only had to go on Sundays. :>)

What, you have to go to practice to be a Catholic, too? I thought you only had to go on Sundays. :>)

Guess that's why I left the Church over 30 years ago - not enough practice, same reason  stopped taking piano lessons....

You know what they say...practice makes perfect.  ;>)

I fell off my stool laughing at ya'll. I didn't mean " practicing on a catholic "'.

Funny thing is his audience and CNN actually act like this guy has valid opinions about anything. For example, Anderson Cooper asked this guy his opinion on climate change. Why? He doesn't have a degree in atmospheric science or climatology so how can his opinion mean anything? The troubling thing is his audience will actually take his word as gospel and take his views as their own. The world may melt because of this dolt. CNN should be ashamed of themselves.

Therefore, unless you have a medical degree, don't have an opinion on any health issue....

Your assertion is that one must be degreed in the topic under discussion in order to have an opinion.  Opinions abound here, and without attendant degrees, I'm thinking. 

This is a website. When WE get asked to speak on an issue for a national audience get back to us. I dont think it is too much to ask that some expertise is in order to be asked to speak to a national audience on a subject.

Speaking for myself I have no interest in what your stupid video clip is about. You are a liar. MMFA isnt twisting anything which is why you just made the claim and left out any actual examples. If you dont LIKE this site I suggest the several million other sites out there. Freepersewer is probably more your speed. They are probably ignorant enough to take you seriously.

You're so cute, with your little video clip n' everything.

Try LGF. They like people like you over there. (As long as you're not Muslim.) 

Oh well, I tried. So much for open mindedness, huh? Hypocrites.

You mean WWAAAAHHHHH why arent trolls who try to derail threads treated kindly WWWAAHHHHH. MORON.

This from a guy who just said "Waaaaahhhhh, I don't want to watch the stupid video, waaaaahhhhhh, don't make me think for myself, I get my "facts" from MMFA." and then launched right into the personal attacks. What a waste of perfectly good oxygen.

Solonswine,

You're asking quite a lot of this crowd, suggesting they actually consider what somebody SAID, rather than the Media Matters spin.

Let's face it--this bunch's frenzy to promote an unknown political candidate--one THEY know diddly about, reminds one of the front three rows at an Elvis concert, complete w/the weeping and passing out.

How typical of the brainwashed wingnut. Thinking I have to listen to someones OPINION about this site to know about it when I have been coming here for YEARS. I guess when you put your cerebral cortex on hold and listen to wingnut bloviators to find out what you believe you cant imagine getting information the old fashioned way. THINKING FOR YOURSELF. You should try it some day. Granted you will have to beg, borrow, steal, or rent the equipement since higher brain function is far beyond you but its a real hoot if you ever get the chance to try it.

How precious. STUPID but precious. You came in here doing your hivemind trollwork trying to derail the thread. PRETENDING you were giving us some kind of information we must need. I have been coming to this site for YEARS. So I would need to see a clip to know for myself what this site does? This would only make sense to the incredibly brainwashed morons like YOU who consider thinking for themselves finding out what they believe from The Limborg hivemind. You think bobbling your head like a demented doll when you read some rightwing hitsite or when you drool while listening to the screechmonkey of your choice is thinking. It isnt, take it from me, this is just one more in the endless parade of your delusions.

Wow, offering a link to the ENTIRE video of the story is "hivemind troll work"?  So when MMFA only posted 2 minutes of the SAME VIDEO, I guess they were just doing "a little hivemind troll work".

So WHAT? Are you saying that MMFAs point was WRONG? Why no you didnt say that you attacked the site talking about its spin and how they spin everything. I have been coming here for YEARS and have seen the stories they cover. They are consistantly honest and right. I disagree with them sometimes but they have a great trackrecord. YOU also have a trackrecord. You posted this on all the threads. A typical look over there attempt. Trolls do what trolls do. Stop being a troll if you HAVE a point make it.

You're really going to have to watch the whole video, because now you're just digging yourself a hole.

You dont get to tell me what to do. Other posters have made the point. Just because you WISH it proved what you WISH were true doesnt mean it does. You are wrong. You are usually wrong. I am sure you are used to it by now.

I watched the video and I am genuinely puzzled at what precisely you are so apparently darned impressed with about it.

The chances of you devoting as much time to investigating Obama's pastor and what he has to say are......

 

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"I have been coming here for YEARS..." SOLON

Yes...we can all tell by your consistent, mean-spirited, hateful, condescending, rants that you are a true liberal. You are blinded by such hatred that it must consume you...How SAD.

 

If you say so. Just like we can tell by your consistant ignorance and moronity that YOU are a conservative. I am sure you would LOVE it if ONLY the conservatives got to spew meanspirited personal attacks. Those days are gone get over it.

If you say so. Just like we can tell by your consistent ignorance and stupidity that you are a conservative. I am sure you would love it if only the conservatives got to spew mean-spirited personal attacks. Those days are gone; get over it.

I'm just here to help, Solon. What did you say a troll was again? Someone who doesn't engage but disrupts? And personal attacks are meant to engage? My God! I was right! You really are a doddering old hypocrite!

Re: a certain poster...

The sheer volume of the vitriol, time after time, recalls the "...he doth protest too much" passage.

You're hitting a nerve. Good work.

Re: a certain poster...

The sheer volume of the vitriol, time after time, recalls the "...he doth protest too much" passage.

You're hitting a nerve. Good work.

You wish. This is just how I amuse myself. You guys are far to stupid to hit ANYTHING much less nerves. You barely provide batting practice moron.

Lol.  Got to love that kind of logic.  To judge a debate's success by the degree you ticked someone off.  My children used to act like that with each other.  It is kind of strange to see a supposed adult who belives in measuring success in debate the same way

Your kids were civilized, and you're to be commended.

Mine just immediately punched each other out, in total silence. 

But they always made up.

In your case, it's called T-BALL.

And...

Go rent a sense of humor.  And buy the insurance coverage with it, since it'll be a mess after being in your possession for even a short time.

Oh I have a sense of humor its just an odd one. If I judged by those to incredibly lame attempts at convoluted humor you just coughed up I say you need to trade yours in for a REAL one.

We agree on something:  your "humor" is odd.

Yeah, I spent the first half of my life making jokes for myself. The first woman I dated that laughed at my jokes I married. She really did think I was a funny guy.

Wow. 100 years of jokes.

WOW. I am certainly impressed by the stupidity of THAT attempted bon mot. Dont give up your day job.

Allaya people are OK--you never disappoint; it is always fun, and sometimes edifying to drop by for a visit.

You mean like you gave up your comedy career?

Can you please stop with the "we"... there's others who read here who don't consider themselves part of your "we" and I, for one, am not only ok with, but am grateful for, divergent opinions.

I don't consider what solonswine did even remotely enough to refer to him as a troll and I take such reactions to another point of view to be just plain infantile.  It seems you just aren't comfortable with any discussion that doesn't allow you to continue on blissfully complaining about life with like-minded people.

In essence, your response to SolonSwine was as much as what a troll might do as anything - just a troll that got here first, and found a few other trolls to partner with, that's all.

As an independent, I'd give it to SolonSwine, too, if he pulled some crap like that.

Who was that directed at, Sam F.?

Did you think it was up to YOU to tell me what to do? It isnt. I will post as I see fit. It just isnt up to you. He posted that litte clip in EVERY THREAD. It was MEANT to disrupt NOT to engage that is pretty much the definition of troll in my book. I dont really care if you agree. I also like a divergence of opinion. I also get TIRED of the repeated attempts to derail the threads.

Oh well, I tried. So much for open mindedness, huh? Hypocrites.

Based on your user name, Swine, you're only here to cause trouble.  Go back to Free Republic where you belong.

Wow, veeerrryyyy non-judgmental of you. See, this is what I like about the MMFA posters. They are truly interested in opposing viewpoints and they NEVER judge a book by it's cover. They don't stereotype, discriminate, and they are SUCH logical thinkers. They are interested in both sides of the argument and respectfully disagree with those who don't share their views. Oh, wait, this is MMFA? Forget everything I just said.

Oh, wait, this is MMFA? Forget everything I just said.

I figure you've already forgotten what you've typed, Swine.  Based on the "quality" of your posts (and your constant belittling of those who disagree with you), I'm just chalking up your posts as just so many meaningless rants from a brain-dead dittohead.

Your "constant belittling" of those who disagree with you..

But then you go on to say that calling myself an intelligent person is a contrived falsehood.

Am I missing something here? Need I only refer you to Solon's response of my initial post to open your eyes to exactly who is doing the insulting and belittling?

 

Your link had nothing to do with the thread. You are derailing the topic. Typical trollwork. You THEN called us hypocrites. You are a fool. You THINK that only you moronic wingnuts get to make personal attacks but those days are over. You didnt come here to talk about the thread but to attack the site. A site I know all about WITHOUT listening to someone handing out talking points to hiveminders. Get over yourself. Enter the discussion or be treated like the troll you are acting like.

"Your link had nothing to do with the thread."

Do I need to point out the obvious here, or can someone talk some sense into this guy. Oh, nevermind......

I'll type slowly for you so you can understand........

The        link       that      I      posted      goes      DIRECTLY      to       the      ENTIRE      video      that      this      thread      is      all      about.      MMFA      only      posted      a      2      minute      clip.

You posted it IN EVERY THREAD. Try to keep up. I didnt even go there. THIS wasnt the first thread I saw the link in. It couldnt POSSIBLY have been relevant to all the thread. Are you completely braindead? You are being a troll AND you are wrong as you pretty much ALWAYS ARE. Beck didnt challenge him on the controversial statements MMFA mentioned and thats a fact.

Am I missing something here?

You're missing something with every breath you take, Swine.

Solonswine,

Maybe I'm just missing something here, but it appears your moniker is a direct provocation aimed at Solon.  I must say with that in mind, I am confused at your indignation or surprise that a confrontation with Solon has now occurred?  You really don't understand that? Really?

Top 10 reasons you may have a confrontation with Solon....

   1) you look at him

   2) you talk to him

   3) you don't compliment his new tie

   4) your sled is red while his is beige

 

    Stay tuned for the other six.  And don't be so darned serious, allaya.

"Wow, veeerrryyyy non-judgmental of you. See, this is what I like about the MMFA posters. They are truly interested in opposing viewpoints and they NEVER judge a book by it's cover. They don't stereotype, discriminate, and they are SUCH logical thinkers. They are interested in both sides of the argument and respectfully disagree with those who don't share their views. "

Whatever. You can agree or disagree with folks here, I don't care. Take it or leave it. But you're wasting your time insinuating the right has anything of interest to offer regarding objective truth. Conservatism is a dasterdly ideology which produce deceit like rabbits produce bunnies.

When you finally realize that materialism is the only higher principle that guides conservatism and are ready to join the humanitarian left, we will be here to welcome you.

Round,

Humanitarian left? 

You are a seasoned debater, in that you overwhelm with absurdity, and the opposing side is at a loss as to where to begin.

You get an A for today.

Swine, I'm pretty open-minded, but have stopped clicking on links except for those by posters (thanks, Solon, Snoop, everybody else who bothers to pick that option) who have figured out to open in a new window.(ever since the MMFA "maintenance, going to a link that opens in the same window sends me back to the top of the thread when I leave the link).

 

You can just copy the link into the address bar of a new browser window. Hope that helps.

Duh.That's my point. If it's too much trouble for you to set up the link, I figure there's probably nothing there.

Col. Sanders,

Hold down the shift button while you click and the link will open up in its own separate window.

Just a helpful hint if you want to use it.

Thanks, OPenmind. That I didn't know.

Still, I'm using my rule of thumb that works pretty well; Those who have the good manners to set up the link in a new window generally have something worth looking at.

Lol.  Who is a hypocrite?  I just watched the entire segment.  I found it unintentionally pretty hilarious. 

Beck describes how the liberal blogs like mediamatters supposedly work their items into the "liberal" media (well at least the editorials).  Beck then brings on a conservative blogger (Noel Shepherd of newsbusters.org) onto his nationally televised show to attempt to backup his point, but ultimately damaging his argument for those that are able to see the irony of the whole thing.

The whole time he never once accurately qouted MMFA's actual argument.  Thank you for posting that clip.  I almost forgot how stupid Glenn Beck is.

You seem to equate openmindedness with whether people agree with you.  Have you considered that your own argument(or Beck's) may simply  be unconvincing to some openminded posters?

Have you honestly considered that your own argument could be wrong?  If not, I don't know why you would expect as much from anyone else.

I've watched the video...

In it Glenn Beck refers to "Book of Revelation crazies" e-mailing him about whether Obama is the anti-Christ. He called them "nut jobs". Is John Hagee a Book of Revelation crazy, too? And a nut job? Beck introduced Pastor John Hagee as a "self-professed End of Days expert". If Beck believes that ardent Apocalypse believers are crazies and nut jobs why didn't he indicate that to John Hagee?

Now, Beck says that "the whole thing was done in jest". Is Beck now ridiculing John Hagee's beliefs? Is Beck calling his audience "nut jobs"?

But the biggest question, IMO, is why didn't Beck ask Hagee about the specific remarks Hagge has made about the Catholic Church. In particular, Hagee is reported to have called the Catholic Church "the Great Whore", "the apostate church" and "a false cult system", among other things.

The bottom line is that Glenn Beck went easy on John Hagee and only ended up giving the Obama is the anti-Christ smear more air time. But, I'd still like to know if Beck is disdainful of his audience and John Hagee. Those are fair questions that Beck's video raises.

 

Notice how Irony101 makes absolutely NO mention of the FACT that the original MMFA story was a contrived falsehood, which was PROVEN. Now that's Irony.

Calling yourself an intelligent human being is a contrived falsehood, Swine.

Wow, the "I know you are, but what am I" tactic. I guess they only teach that in liberal debate classes.

Bunk its a con speciality. Besides you come in here with a nick specific to insult me and whine in a way that would embarass a little girl when YOU are insulted. Grow up.

Why don't you treat other people as individuals instead of emblematic symbols of an entire group?  Should we judge all conservatives by your apparent flaws?

"MMFA story was a contrived false hood"

Wrong! Are you delirious? The caption of the MMFA story was:

"Beck failed to ask Hagee about controversial atatements, instead asked him if Obama might be the Antichrist"

In fact, Beck did fail to ask Hagee about his controversial statements, some of which I mentioned above, and which have been widely reported. Beck pontificates about journalism yet he failed to ask Hagee the most important questions: Why do you call the Catholic Church "the Great Whore"? "The apostae church"? "A false cult system"?

Instead, Beck let Hagee off the hook. He didn't challenge Hagee on those controversial comments. However, he did find it important enough to ask him whether Obama was the anti-Christ...jokingly, of course. Beck is a disgrace...and the MMFA piece was dead-on accurate.

The video piece illustrates that MMFA is a fraud. There's no denying it. I loved the part where Olberman said, "Are you afraid of competition?" because when a conservative uses "anti-christ" in a question about a liberal, he gets branded the "worst person in the world". Then the liberal host immediately calls the conservative the same thing. Oh, but that's a joke, right?

Stick to the point, Swine... The MMFA story was dead-on accurate. Beck did fail to ask Hagee about his controversial statements. In the video you posted Beck even admits he didn't ask Hagee about his specific controversial remarks.

 

The point of the 12 minute video is how MMFA is a complete fraud!!! THAT'S the point, you won't address it.

I have addressed it. MMFA said Beck failed to ask Hagge about his controversial statements. The video shows Beck didn't ask Hagee that. Beck admits it. Oh, but please thank Beck for asking Hagee the probative question about whether Obama is the anti-Christ. And Beck has the nerve to pontificate about journalism. You lose, pal...

The point of the 12 minute video is how MMFA is a complete fraud!!! THAT'S the point, you won't address it.

The only point around here is on the top of your little pinhead, Swine.  Now go back to Free Republic where you belong, and leave this site for the responsible adults.

YOU are a complete fraud. The MMFA article WAS accurate. They claims they made are true. Just because your spin isnt swallowed wholesale by actual thinking human beings is no reason for hysterics. YOU are wrong get over it.

Beck did not get specific at all regarding Hagee's comments.  I am sure even you can see that.  It is pretty obvious. 

As far as the antichrist comments, I will give Glenn the benefit of the doubt that he indeed finds such ideas stupid (as opposed to a vast amount of his viewers).  The first time Beck asked the question, it did not appear to me he was joking after watching your video link.

I think MMFA's actions were at the very least defensible.  MMFA lets people decide for themselves by showing the video and encouraging debate in the  comment section.  Beck did not accurately describe MMFA's argument, which is a common tactic for him. 

SWINE: You just did the same thing you’re accusing MMFA of doing. Olberman never called Beck the anti-christ. Olberman was joking that Beck has also been rumored to be the anti-christ (maybe you didn’t read the blogs or get the emails?)  – and now he has some competition.

See how you wingnuts like to twist the truth? I forced myself to watch the silly video (and anything Beck IS silly) and all I saw was a goofy wingnut trying to wiggle out of his softball interview with “end-of-days expert” Hagee followed by a guest wingnut to back him up, and throw MORE lies at his audience. (e.g. “Progessive is code word for extreme liberal”)

One other point – when a liberal jokes of someone being the anti-christ it is taken as a joke, while right-wing conservatives pandering to the evangelical wackos by making such comments are “joking” about something that evangelicals actually believe in and take quite seriously. BIG DIFFERENCE!

And, Cleve, is it just me or was Beck, in his rebuttal video, ridiculing his audience and Hagee as "Book of Revelation crazies"? I'd like to hear him talk his way out of that. 

Solonswine,

I think you simply lack a sense of humor. I hope you know that calling someone the "worst person in the world" is hyperbolic humor (I would have hoped that playing Bach's Toccata en Fugue during the segment would have additionally clued you in to that).  I guess you can't be too obvious these days.

Beck is two balls short of a bull and Hagee likes rocky mountain oysters.

All you've done is post a video of Beck trying to tell us what he said the day before. So what? Beck went back and tried to cover his @ss, is that supposed to prove something? Please explain how this proves MMFA wrong, cause all I'm seeing is a poor attempt to disguise a previous statement as humor.

Exactly. A video explaining what he did the day before when the whole transcript was up here for all to read, and see. Sounds like Beck is trying to do a "Rush" and alter things and change things to what didn't happen.

Beck is the spinner. Not MMFA.

Dang, Mag, you got me by :52 seconds!

Looks familiar, Snoopy. Remember when Rush Limbaugh made his "Phony soldiers" smear against the troops? Immediately after, a bunch of dittoheads came here, linking to the video of Rush playing an edited version of his original comment, and explaining, after the fact, what had happened. They were actually fooled by this.

The original comments were available, but the faithful had been programmed to think that a subsequent defense by the perpetrator, along with doctored clips, was more substantial than the original comments. They are fascinating.

Anyone think he's using the "blame it on the audience" excuse?  They ask a question that's completely off the wall and incredibly offensive, then they say "Well, my listeners have been asking me that."  Is it beyond most of these people to actually have some journalistic integrity?  Or is there really no such thing these days?  Of course, I'm including Beck in the "journalist" category, which he most certainly is not.  Ask an outrageous and inflammatory question, then blame it on your listeners in order to deflect the ensuing criticism.  Idiots.

At least he's sorta talking, unlike another mute festering sore arround today.

Side issue. Blackwater will not be building their California training facility. A noteworthy victory!

Beck, the same guy who asked an elected Congressman if he was working for our "enemies" just because he's a Muslim. Yes, good journalism.

Solonswine, the whole piece was not a contrived falsehood. Why? It's called context. MMFA works hard to put it all in there as it pertains to the parts that they're talking about. Please try to get on board.

WOW! Quite a batch hanging out here........reminds me of my family reunion.

You said it, Bill.

There hasn't been any new blood around here for so long, they ARE all related by now. 

Or at least they all look (sound)alike, after so many years together.

I'm just kidding.  But they won't see the humor.

Sure we will. BTW, if you get divorced, are you still legally brother and sister? ;)

Ask your attorney.

Thats because contempt and insults are only humor to you rightwing morons. You have been assmiliated. The screechmonkeys tell you THEY are funny and thats what THEY do so you actually think when YOU do it that its funny. Like all the worlds worst comedians when no one laughs you blame the audience. You must know you are lame right?

It has its charms. Make yourself what ever you like. My last reunion was for Grannies 100th.

A WC Fields quote says a lot about families to me. He was drying out on the radio. Don Amechee was paying the straight man to him. After an absurd story about an uncle dying, Don offered,"Thats sad. Its hard to lose a relative."

WC replied,"Nearly impossible."

Solonswine,

Your attempt to fight fiction with facts with MM(vl) should be done only with the understanding that we can be entertained by the hateful lefties and their bile they spew.  They take themselves and the antics of MM(vl) far too seriously to ever have a synapse fire in their crainiums.

There are a few that will engage in debate surrounding issues, but generally they are far and few between.  But even the best lose their minds when liberal/leftist ideology is refuted and then mocked.  So enjoy the show and keep their feet to the fire!

A

My goodness you are stupid ProudMoron. The bile WE spew? YOURS is the side of Coulter, Savage, O'Rielly and you want to talk about OUR bile? We get a little frustrated by the IGNORANCE you spew. WHAT FACTS? He came in here with HIS spin about the Beck video. The fact is MMFA said he didnt ask Hagee about controversial statements he has made and BECK ADMITTED AS MUCH. Somehow MMFA being COMPLETELY FACTUALLY CORRECT turns into spin and YOU call it facts. It really isnt our fault you are too stupid to know the difference.

MMFA's hair splitting just makes the operation seem so unimportant... and it gets involved in this stupid time-wasting minutae just to justify its existence.  Does it really see a huge difference when Beck generally refers to the general discontent or does he really have to go down the list and question specific improprieties?

I mean, rather than excoriate Beck for not being so specific but still asking the general question, why not go find an example of someone who DID ask such questions, or DOES do things right and put it side by side with Beck's "generalaties"... THAT might make a difference. 

But getting into hair-splitting, word parsing slugfests just reeks of making a mountain out of a molehill to appear important.

I understand your larger point but I disagree a general question in THIS context is the same as a specific question nor do I see it has hair splitting. You would have to assume that the entire audience is aware of those controversial statements. IF they are not then the general question takes on a completely different  connotation. Calling the Catholic Church a great WHORE is pretty hardcore and the audience needs to KNOW that is specifically what is being talked about otherwise they just fill in something that might be quite different. No when the point is specific controversial statements THOSE specifically should have been addressed or it is a legitimate criticism.

"...the Great Whore..." is a reference to a  text in Revelation.  Some have taken it as a reference to the Catholic church, or religiosity in its entirity...

I think it's cute when they tell each other how right they are.Like a Special Olympics award ceremony, where every dittobot gets a medal just for trying hard and not giving up, whether it's a debunked argument or a pointless link.

I also think it's adorable that they imagine whoever is bored enough on any given day to patiently explain things, give supporting evidence, and laugh at their delusional declarations of victory are "the few who will engage in debate".

Bless you, dittoheads!

Colonelkentuckyfriedsanders,

I resent the comment about special olympics.  What if I told you I recently went to an event for my sister who competed and witnessed great inspiration.

PC,

You'll find us all much more amenable as soon as the rightwing lies and/or the feigned offenses cease. In other words, as soon as the hard righties begin to act in good faith here we can all move on.

But I understand it's not the nature of the conservative to engage in honest debate. How can it be when all manner of decorum, honesty and respect is subsumed by the prime objective of victory. So I won't hold my breath because I know, from years and years of witnessing conservatives sacrifice their integrity in service of political victory, that they cannot curve their hostile, lying ways.

It's that simple.

It's who conservatives are, it's what conservatives do. I will not waste my time trying to be civil to a person who has no principles.

This is just the sort of stuff that makes me despise a site like yours.  It just seems to me that you are so itching to stay relevant that you end up parsing such minutae that it just ends up seeming like a bunch of immature, angry high-schoolers who have nothing of substance to offer and only get their identity out of splitting hairs over such utter nonsense.

"Boy, that Beck really did you wrong, huh?"

It must hurt to be so misrepresented... well, one good turn deserves another. 

Yeah Sam...we know...in journalism, 'close' is good enough for you. Love that moniker...you ARE a true patriot.

What a waste of effort on your part.

I dont think this is splitting hairs. This is what so tires me talking to conservatives here. They pretend that THEIR take is the actual reality. We see it different. Beck didnt ask about specific questions from a controversial guest who is controversial because of specific controversial statements. He should have been asked about THEM. Just because you think softballing the whole thing is ok doesnt mean it is.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.

Beck is a slug, another right wing hate monger. I couldn't believe it when CNN hired this clown. Were they full up on insane right wingers over at Fox Noise?

sitsAROUNDthehouse,

How is pointing out the fallacy in the minutia that MM(vl) sees as something from the great right wing conspiracy?  The humorous thing is that the whole conversation was done in jest!  Listen to the not-so-subtle tone of Beck's question.  I know that many of you fear our links, it might be enlarging your carbon footprint so we dare not do that, but if you look at the first, second and third bits of footage, then we could have some dialogue.

A few from the left who come to this site are interested in reasonable dialogue and I don't believe anyone would agree with you that I need to move beyond those who offend me.  Those discussions reflect respect and humor, maybe that's a concept beyond an angry lefty's narrow mind, squarehut!

Done in jest? But of course it was in jest because sops like Beck lack the confidence in his rightness to call it like he sees it.

Angry left? So what? Our future is too important to be nicey, nicey with the corporate nitwits populating the right.

I will make no apologies.

You mean the corporate nitwits who you are profiting from in your retirement fund? 

Or maybe you'd be content with that  lifelong loser of an investment you made called (hilarious) SOCIAL SECURITY.

All Utopians should have to exist on that "progressive" panacea.  You guys have a great batting average.

By the way, subjecting Social Security to income tax was another  brainy idea of Progessives, who also gave it sufficient votes to put it into law.

Gosh, wonder who is screwing the middle class?

ProudMORON why is EVERYTHING a conservative says appologized for as a joke? Ya got nothin. You never do. Your posts are worthless why do you embarass yourself so pathetically?

I guess it's fine for MM to point out that Beck maybe should have asked the Pastor about specific statements he's made, (although the real question should be whether those statements are historically accurate) but it's really quite misleading to imply that Beck was seriously asking Hagee about Obama being the anti-christ. It was obviously done tongue-in-cheek, and should have been identified as such. Hagee said absolutely not.

MM nitpicks about this and that in an attempt to distract from the real intent behind their post evidenced by their big and bold headline -- to advance the idea that Beck and Hagee seriously entertain nonsensical notions such as this, by quoting accurately, but failing to put it in its proper context. Doing so would actually make it apparent that Beck and Hagee both think that kind of thinking is crazy.

I would recommend simply watching Beck's show for full context, and not relying on the rather selective analysis offered here.

Listening to the original source material, it's clear to see how Mr. Beck's words were clearly taken out of context and skewed to sound like he called Obama the anti-christ or asked Mr. Hagee if he thought Obama was the Anti-Christ.

Mr. Beck clearly stated that he laughs at the people who have conspiracy theories calling Obama the anti-christ, he said he thinks those types of people are crazy. Please report his words honestly and not out of context. That's what a good journalist does.