2006, Chicago - 453 homicides, Baghad - about 20,000

I wasn't expecting the Swift Boating till summer.

Mr Cavuto,

Perhaps you should quit your job...... that or never again should you be permitted to speak about matters that pertain to our form of government at any level......

First of all.... comparing Chicago to Baghdad..... is this to score points with your weak minded fans? To get them all scared about that 'bitter' black man.... or are you just stupid?

Second..... a state senator has as much to do with cleaning up crime in Chicago as a baseball player has with performing surgery......

Yes, he was a representative to a Chicago district.... but it is the city aldermann that ultimately would have something to say about crime in that section of the city.....

All Barack could do is petition a bill in Springfield that might further fund the Chicago police or give some extra money for security in other areas....

Only a pathetic small minded dimwit would be so pathetic at trying to blame Barack for not doing enough to fight crime..... or perhaps you knew that and are an unethical lying sleezeball?

FOX Noise....... CRAP!

More free airtime for the McCain campaign.

Pigs.

They love McCain. Don't let them tell you he's not conservative enough, he's fine by them. He'll continue the death in Iraq.

But War on Gangs? F**k your fearful, violent worldview you idiot pant pissing cons. Everything is war and profit with you twisted f**ks. Let's just send in the Pinkertons, I mean Blackwater. They don't have to follow the law and they can turn the whole country into a hot zone.

Gang violence is the result of poverty and is best neutralized by showing gratitude for working poor people by enabling them to prosper through access to healthcare, education and living wages.

And now Limbaugh is inciting riots in Denver during the Democratic convention. The hypocricy of you thug Republicans disgusts me.

Obama can be pretty tough as well.  I don't know if you would call him a "pant p*ssing con" but he seems to "get it" in my view. 

From the Factcheck link:

Obama Voted For Tougher Penalties For Gang Activity.

Obama Voted To Prohibit Released Gang Members From Associating With Old Gang

Obama Voted To Make Recruiting For A Gang At School A Crime

Obama Voted To Permit The Required Removal Of A Minor's Tattoo Symbolizing Allegiance To A Street Gang As A Condition For Probation

Obama Voted To Criminalize Willful Gang Activity By A Peace Or Corrections Officer

Obama Sponsored Bill To Extend Death Penalty For 1st Degree Murder Within 500FT Of A Place Of Worship

Obama Supported Extending the Death Penalty For Certain Domestic Violence Cases

Obama Voted In Favor Of The Death Penalty For People Who Murdered Disabled People Knowing That They Were Disabled And For Senior Citizens.

Yeah, Obama does seem to get it. That's why I called Cavuto and his guest pant pissing cons.

Don't forget that they are also pigs. ;)

So what do you think of your boy Limbaugh calling for riots in the streets of Denver during the convention? He's seriously damaged and damages the name good folks like yourself bruce.

Now now Roundhouse.

I wouldn't tag Bruce, or anyone else for that matter with Rush's words, anymore than I would tag Obama with Wright's alleged controversial sermon, unless of course someone were repeating said words and passing them off as something that they believed in.

Know what I mean? I seldom see Bruce, and even other of our more conservative friends in here posting anything that reflects the Limbaugh world (I'm talking about the conservatives in here with a brain, and actual thoughts, not the repeaters, and you all know who I mean by that no doubt).

"I wouldn't tag Bruce, or anyone else for that matter with Rush's words, anymore than I would tag Obama with Wright's alleged controversial sermon, unless of course someone were repeating said words and passing them off as something that they believed in."

Despite the fact that I illustrated it poorly, that was kinda my point too. The guilt by association trip isn't fair.

No problem, Limbaugh is way in my rear view mirror.  I haven't listened to him since the mid-90s.  I'm strictly Air America now.  (You gotta keep tabs on the enemy)  ;-)

If you want real counterintel on your enemies you should listen to nova m radio. It's on Itunes in the talk/spoken word streams. Click the 1480 kphx link.

Air America is dying because of poor management. Nova M is thriving because it is primarily listener funded.

Thanks for the tip! 

I mainly like Ed Schultz and Rachel Maddow on AAR as being "reasonable" progressives.  The Mike Malloys and Randi Rhodes of the world, I won't give them any of my time.  They have a niche following but I don't like their style.

On second thought, you might not like nova m. It's where Mike Malloy and Randi Rhodes work. Rachel Maddow has her show on nova m but not Ed schultz.

I guess I'm a niche guy. I like Malloy and Rhodes they're in your face liberals and I think in our current political moment you can't cut the right wing much slack. I mean, I bet you're a real nice guy, in person bruce but your support of conservatism has screwed us all. I don't think your politics deserves merit. Conservatism has been a dismal disaster.

But as our sons and daughters die for the occupation of Iraq, as families have their homes foreclosed, as we fall behind in education, pay polluters to continue polluting have a nice weekend, bruce.

I'm all for holding both sides feet to the fire.  I would never say otherwise.  There's much to criticize with our current administration and that's why Democrats will win in November.  That's the way I see it.

Bruce, you're probably a Thom Hartmann fan then, yes?  He's on the dial from 12-3 on Air America, and I hope when they go under he switches to Nova.  The man is a walking encyclopedia of American History

 

I catch him on commercial breaks from my sports talk program in the afternoon.  It can't be all politics all the time!

The failures of conservatism go further than the current administration and had more of you cons been holding your Party's feet to the fire these times would be much different. The virulent strains of conservatism that infest this administration have been incubating for decades.

Can you imagine an oval office that doesn't micromanage torture sessions? Can you imagine no preemptive wars that indiscriminantly targeted civilians for the sake shocking and awing the world into utter hatred for America? Feet to the fire indeed.

Can you imagine what a strong coordinated and efficient rescue for New Orleans would have looked like? Feet to the fire indeed. You cons gut public services like FEMA to make the argument that the private sector does it better. It's sick.

Can you imagine what our economy would look like today had banking regulations and government oversight still been in tact? Feet to the fire indeed. That stupid hands off market fundamentalism crap has taken ownership of the economy from we the people, placed it in the hands of the elite few and left us all so vulnerable to financial ruin.

Feet to the fire my foot.

No. You cons and the multiple Dems, who stood by and permitted this mess to occur, need to slink away in disgrace for the damage you have brought to our country.

I like ya bruce, I like your grace and charm but your conservative politics are for the birds.

That was the theory that had me listening to Limbaugh until my gag reflex made it impossible to continue

I looked at the link to the bill in question.  It was vetoed by the Republican Governor Ryan.  His reasoning is registered here:

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/hbgroups/hb/920HB1812gms.html

It turns out that gang related murder was already subject to capital punishment upon conviction.  Whooda thunk it?  The bill is apparently just chest-thumping. 

Once again, wingnuts try to punish Obama for being too darn thoughtful and unwilling to harumph along with the rest of their bitter mob.

Not to mention that more capital cases have been overturned in Illinois than most states.

But republicans don't care if innocent people are killed. Just look at shock and awe or look at New Orleans for something closer to home.

There seems to be this tendency elsewhere in the media-- it's suddenly Fear and Loathing time all over the news.

Our cities are Baghdad, cults are molesting our children, your kids aren't safe anywhere, immigrants are buying up our food supplies, North Korea is going Arab--you name it, it's Panicsville again in Republican media-land. 

Happens every big election year-- and it's gonna get worse before November. They're going to try to drive the American people into a tizzy. 

What do the murders of this past weekend in Chicago have to do with Barack's presidential campaign since he is no longer in the State Senate of Illinois?

Oh, and the guy is claiming that those voting for Hillary Clinton are voting her because Barack is black, and that he claims that "such a thing doesn't happen on the Republican side". Well, how can he prove that, since there were no women or minorities on that side?

No fair expecting him to be logical.  That would throw him off his game.

Even though this is typical of the media, this incident really pissed me off.  Ignoring Brown, let's look at the failings of the "host".

"Floyd Brown is the man behind it. He is the president of the National Campaign Fund" -- and the Willie Horton guy, the most obvious bit of context in the world an honest host would supply to his viewers.

Brown:  "the racism that exists, exists inside the Democratic primary voters."  Cavuto:  "OK" -- no, it's not OK.  It's inflammatory and completely unsupported.  Something tells me Cavuto would not move on if a liberal did what Brown did.

"but the rap against the ad, Floyd, is that it's implied racism." -- no, the rap is everything MMFA listed here.

"since he was presumably ineffective at dealing with some of these issues in his own home turf" -- first, a single bill isn't "some".  An incident of violence isn't "some" either, as then every politician in the country would "fail".  More importantly, some viewers are too busy to figure out if the "presumably" is valid or not.  They have other jobs.  Cavuto doesn't have another job.  His job is to get to the bottom of the "presumably".  If he doesn't do that job, he and the channel he's on have no reason for existence.

"It's a bit of a leap, don't you think?" -- a pretend challenge intended to allow the guest to get his full message out unimpeded, which is then followed up by "OK" like every other lie the guest spewed.  Challenges to liberal guests, by contrast, are intended to block the guest's message getting out.

I know Cavuto is a particularly egregious example of a host.  But the others have the same failings, which are exhibited again and again.

This little example should be in textbooks.  It's a microcosm of everything wrong with the media.  The problem isn't that the guest is a conservative and on the "fringe".  The problem isn't that the guest is lying.  The problem is what the host did and didn't do.

Media bias studies frequently look at the guests.  They never look at the hosts.  If two shows each have 50% conservative and 50% liberal guests, one show could be conservatively biased and one show could be liberally biased, dependent entirely on the host.  And the host's biased isn't determined by who he gave money to, who he worked for 30 years ago, or even who he voted for.  It's determined by what he says and does on his show.

When is Cavuto gonna point out John McCain's "weakness" in not doing anything about the gang problems in Phoenix??

I won't hold my breath...

Get ready for it, folks. The "Liberal Media" are sinking their teeth into Barack Obama's ankle, and they're going to drag him down if they can. They're not even being subtle about it any more. I watched a couple of the cable shows last night, and it was wall to wall Jeremiah Wright again. Will someone please tell me what legitimate news value Jeremiah Wright has? He's appearing on the Bill Moyers show tonight, in an effort to defend himself against the previous Media Toady barrage, and now they're accusing him of "throwing Obama under the bus". It was sickening.

If they would give equal time to John Hagee's repulsive remarks, they could at least retain the pretense of objectivity, though the news value would still be miniscule.

Speaking of Chicago, how many heavily armed policemen were killed there last year? Now, how many American and Iraqi soldiers were killed in Baghdad last year? This is the same bogus analogy that Rush Limbaugh tried to float when he was poo-pooing American casualties in Iraq. And these people claim to "support the troops"?. Lying scumbags.

True, this is the same old tired line that we heard for a long time about how Detroit was just as un-safe as Baghdad was. Like that was ever really true. Right wing talk show hosts were adament about this a short while ago, of course, we didn't see any of them volunteering to go and walk the streets of Baghdad un-armed, and without a large military escort, and or body armor head to toe. As bad as Detroit has been in the past, I've walked the streets there without all of that gear, and felt perfectly safe. I'm not so sure I would feel the same way in Baghdad even now that the "surge" has worked and all (sarcasm).

But I though some talking head bozo said that Iraq was about as dangerous as California.  Was that Brit Hume?

They kept changing the cities, and or states that they would reference. I think I remember hearing Detroit, Philly, NYC, LA, and others dumped in there. The warbloggers were all over that one as well, except for the fact that the comparisons they were making were for US troops killed, and not for all deaths, which is the comparison that you'd have to make. Unless you cited statistics for say, how many police officers died in the line of duty in those cities, then you could start to make a sort of comparison, but still, not really.

Think about the VT shootings last year. Think about the ink, endless speculation, tributes, outpourings of support, and everything else tied up with that horrible event. Now think about something like and more happening every day for years on end, then you might approach what happens in Baghdad on a daily basis, not to mention what happens around the rest of the country of Iraq.

Exactly. Maybe they can point to the last time there was a mortar attack in Chicago.

And Floyd Brown has a pattern of weakness on truth - in other words, he's a worthless, lying, plie of s**t.

is it time to pull out of chicago and bring the troops home?

It may be time for your nap.That post was even more meaningless than your average comment.

Joe Conason has a excellent article on Floyd Brown and his reemrgence over @ Salon.com. check it out!  Also check out Glenn Greenwalds coluimn also on the same site.

Joe Conason is my hero. He's the one I miss most from Al Franken's radio days.

I found Greenwald's article interesting.... I've been thinking the same thing. Why should we believe this pack of liars? The headline I've heard several times today on radio newscasts is that the Pentagon presented "proof" that Syria and Korea were building a reactor. Proof? I've seen two aerial photos of a big square building and a pile of dirt where the building used to be. That's proof? Of what?

Floyd Brown is a modern day, gay Elmer Gantry. no more, no less!

Nerzog I've enjoyed your post.  Yea, and how come were getting all this info 8 months later!  Somethings up?  Don't take your eyes off Iran either with the new promotion of Patreus and the resignation of Fallon.  Also read some of Greenwalds other posts about media hyprocrisy and Republican image. This pack of liars has fooled us more than once, well , maybe not fooled us but they have gotten away with lies more than once, we can't have 4 more with McNasty its time to concentrate our attention on this phony!  Also how about Limbaugh calling for riots at the Democratic Convention!  Where is the outrage?!  Where are the questions to McNasty?